[Live-devel] Windows Media Player?

[Melms, Kenneth X. -ND]

Right.

Thanks.

Without flame-baiting - Your answer seems either unusually acerbic, or naively short-sighted to me (perhaps both) and it didn't even answer my original question.

I didn't ask if Live555 would officially support it, I asked the developer's mailing list specifically if any other developers out there using the live555 server had found the time and energy to evaluate how to make WMP work - or could point me in the right direction.

You said you don't think it's right to support broken players, and on an idealistic level I totally agree, and if that was my question we could toast to the inanity of the massive corporate frauds who call themselves technology leaders. 

But -- That wasn't my question, no?

My question was looking for anyone who has yet to try to manage this discrepancy between reality and idealism forced on us by the great big M$ corporation.

Unfortunately, as you note, I don't work for an open source community project where I can stand on my ideals and thumb my nose at those who can't.  I work in the real world of broken standards and large corporations using those fissures to vie for intellectual property rights while still trying to make my own very time-sensitive software projects work appropriately in the real world.  This project, regardless of my spite, ire, anger, ideals, or bloviated bluster - contains Windows Media Player as a base requirement - and no amount of pushback ill change that...
(oh, trust me .. I've tried..)

If I were to expand upon the base theme of your retort, you're saying that I could also take the time and effort to build a self-branded robust RTSP streaming server that supports both VLC and WMP - but not within my project's scoped timeframe - and thus I was looking for some help from the community.

It's possible to both push for the ideal while supporting reality... 

K


-----Original Message-----
From: live-devel-bounces at ns.live555.com [mailto:live-devel-bounces at ns.live555.com] On Behalf Of Ross Finlayson
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:52 PM
To: LIVE555 Streaming Media - development & use
Subject: Re: [Live-devel] Windows Media Player?

Following up on my earlier message:

Yes, Microsoft is a large and influential company - but so is ESPN.
If enough large companies - like yours - lean on Microsoft asking
them to comply with the RTSP protocol standard, then perhaps they'll
fix their Media Player software in one of their frequent software
updates.  But simply expecting us to (somehow) modify our server
software to work with Windows Media Player's non-standard (and
undocumented) variant of RTSP is counterproductive.  Instead, you
should encourage your clients to use standards-compliant media
players like VLC (or perhaps QuickTime Player - although I don't
think that plays Transport Stream data).  Alternatively, you could
make your own branded media player client (perhaps based on VLC), and
distribute that to your clients to use instead of Windows Media
Player.
--

Ross Finlayson
Live Networks, Inc.
http://www.live555.com/
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